The Existence Of God

[ArtCrazy]

Art, i think your confusing God and religion...

We created religion.... God didnt, and God isnt religion either.
-Ice

Well, I know we created religion. In case you didn't notice I'm argumenting on both god and religion. That even if god exists, current religions are fake.

Oh... I almost forgot:

The Demand for a Sign

Mt 16:1 The Pharisees and Sadducees came to Jesus and tested him by asking him to show them a sign from heaven.
Mt 16:2 He replied,“When evening comes, you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red,’ 3 and in the morning, ‘Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times. 4 A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.” Jesus then left them and went away.

First, prove to me that ACTUALLY happened and isn't just a story... (probably possible to prove)
Second, a guy that speaks in rimes and can confuse people doesn't mean he was picked by god... Just that he can think. (at least more than the rest)
Third, if a sign will never appear... That means there's no proof ;)

I was saying the Greeks were the first with the concept that the earth was flat, not round.

And I was saying that a greek or egyptian guy was also the first to come up with the concept that the earth was round and WITH proof. Also the earth=flat concept never had any proof, other than "it looks so, I don't notice the floor being round".

I gotta go now... [sarcasm]I'll come back tomorrow to tell you if it was a normal day of if "god" saved me[/sarcasm]

[Devestator ©]

Oh... I almost forgot:

The Demand for a Sign

Mt 16:1 The Pharisees and Sadducees came to Jesus and tested him by asking him to show them a sign from heaven.
Mt 16:2 He replied,“When evening comes, you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red,’ 3 and in the morning, ‘Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times. 4 A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.” Jesus then left them and went away.

First, prove to me that ACTUALLY happened and isn't just a story... (probably possible to prove)
Second, a guy that speaks in rimes and can confuse people doesn't mean he was picked by god... Just that he can think. (at least more than the rest)
Third, if a sign will never appear... That means there's no proof ;)


I gotta go now... [sarcasm]I'll come back tomorrow to tell you if it was a normal day of if "god" saved me[/sarcasm]

You sarcasm is unjustified.

There were many witnesses to his teachings, the places named are real places, and finally, there is much archeological evidence that supports the bible if you do a google-search.

Again, refer back to my dictionary.com citation on faith.

Lastly:

Second Timothy 3:16
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness

[abtreavis]

darnit IT BURNS!1111

To solve all questions ask this...

why do cats own dogs..

[blitzer]

post something worth while reading...not that crap

[Army of One]

Also, if the pope told you to throw yourself from a skyscraper's highest floor (basically suiciding) "because it is god's will" would you do it? (Answering yes is easy, but doing it is not)

God would not ask someone to kill themselves like that. And the pope isn't God's chosen...

And BTW I capitalize the letter G in God.

[MonicaTTmed]

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness

SO, the Bible is true because...the Bible says so. That makes so much sense.

God would not ask someone to kill themselves like that.

I thought God worked in mysterious ways.

And BTW I capitalize the letter G in God.

We noticed.

There were many witnesses to his teachings, the places named are real places, and finally, there is much archeological evidence that supports the bible if you do a google-search.

http://jesusneverexisted.com/
Countless sources.

Mt 16:1 The Pharisees and Sadducees came to Jesus and tested him by asking him to show them a sign from heaven.
Mt 16:2 He replied,“When evening comes, you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red,’ 3 and in the morning, ‘Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times. 4 A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.” Jesus then left them and went away.

So, the storytellers SAY there will be no proof. And since we haven't found proof, that's proof that they're telling the truth and god DOES exist?

"A pink unicorn created the world. If you see no miracles or signs, it means that the pink unicorn is confirming that it created the world."

All I can say is there are a lot of young agnostics, or atheist that will be praying to someone when there life is in danger or they get old and are about to die.

Yeah, people get scared, do stupid stuff. I once thought I had to wash my hands every few minutes.

You say you only believe in things which have enough proof. Like when all the top scientists thought the world was flat, and they thoguht they had evidence to prove it.

And guess why we now believe the earth is round? Science. Science has made our perception of reality more and more accurate. We may never get to 100% but we're still getting more and more accurate. Then someone comes along and says, "You'll get 100% accuracy if you believe this book, cause it says in the same book that it was written by a supernatural omniscient being."

[blitzer]

Woah monica came....and no one shouted COMMUNIST this time

[jedirieb]

I only have a few things to say on this topic (no flames about not following the discussion). I believe God is real. Why?

First off, something had to create everything. Even if the Big Bang theory is true, what created the small materials which gathered into the Big Bang? Using science, mass and energy must be conserved. This means that it cannot just be created by nature into the little materials that made up the Big Bang. A supernatural event had to create that mass and energy, aka God.

Next, why is Earth the only planet with life? Sure, we haven't explored every planet in the universe, or underneath the surface of moons, etc. However, what do you honestly think the chances are that we are the "most evolved" species in this corner of the universe? If there were any other life forms in the universe, why haven't they ever contacted us? Yes, this leaves the possibility for smaller life forms. However, I've got to tell you, if mankind is the most advanced species in the universe, and there are others out there, then I'm a bit scared (look at how we behave on Earth). Using this, I believe Earth is the only planet with life on it. And if we're the only planet with life on it, then it couldn't have been nature that did it (probability says there's a planet somewhere within this temperature range). This implies divine intervention, aka God.

I could go on for a while, but frankly, I must get to bed. So I'll make this short. Just because you can't see something, doesn't mean its not there. Mankind accepts abstract ideas, such as love and hate, yet they obviously cannot be seen (let me know if you see love literally sitting on your front porch, etc.). So how can you use this same argument to say that God is not real, and yet love is? Science is filled with logic, so for everyone who uses logic in their decisions, this should make sense to you.

[Great 8]

At the beginning of this thread we are given choices as to why we would or would not believe in the concept of God.
My belief in God would be based on the first cause argument. So far, astronomers say that the universe came into existence from the the Big Bang theory. Regardless of whatever theory in whatever century, I believe that there is an outside creation of power that set off the big bang in the first place.
As science advances our understanding of the existence of the beginning of life in our universe, our knowledge expands as well without necessarily ruling out a creator.


Here are the first 5 verses of the Book of Genesis written by an anonymous author nearly 3,400 years ago.

001:001 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

001:002 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was
upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon
the face of the waters.

001:003 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

001:004 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the
light from the darkness.

001:005 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called
Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.


This is astronomy written in its simplest form. Earth, our planet, and heaven could mean another dimension. Of course, we now know that it took millions of years for the earth to form 4.6 billion years ago.
The light of course is our sun. Without the sun all life on earth would perish. Even the end of the world is in the Bible. It is a proven scientific fact that when our sun expands and collapses in the distant future known as the super nova, our planet will die. As science progresses so does the understanding of the Bible if you open your eyes.

Respectfully yours whether you believe in the concept of God or not.

[Army of One]

This is astronomy written in its simplest form. Earth, our planet, and heaven could mean another dimension. Of course, we now know that it took millions of years for the earth to form 4.6 billion years ago.

That's not necessarily true. Where did that information come from and what dating techniques did they use? (I would like to research it)

Another thing I've always said, just because there is things in the dirt that say they're millions of years old, doesn't mean the world has been around millions of years! God could put things however he wished when he made the world. Although I think the rapid decomposition and burial of animals, rocks, etc. was from the flood.