The Existence Of God

[ArtCrazy]

Can you please stop the flamewar

I fail to see a flamewar.

I tried to write my answers in a calm way, and I apologize if they didn't appear that way.

So yea, what the hell created us? The big bang? it was just a coincidence that the only 2 particles in the universe collided? And how were these created?
The other option is.. A higher power, like god... But what created that power? perhaps a "godly bigbang"? I don't think he's existed forever... If he has, then what would be his last memory? infinite years ago?

For who said about the complexity of our bodies and made the question of where chimps came from... You should pay more attention at school!
It's something like this (probably full of mistakes, but I'm not a pro), wich have 2 different possible stories currently, we can't say wich one is correct...

1. Something (what was it? "godly big bang"?) created God, who created the universe and humans or animals who evolved into humans...

2. Something (what was it?) created 2 particles that colided with eachother, that made large chunks of rock to go floating around the galaxy, some made stars, some made planets, on our solar system, earth evolved more, all the eruptions made gases that reacted and it rained water for years, that created the oceans... some cells started evolving, multiplying, evolving into bigger stuff, like fishes, then some evolved into air breathers... Evolved into plants before that of course... Then animals evolved into others, then into others, etc... until chimps evolved into humans, and here we are...

Well, 2nd one has more scientific proof than the first one... But still, we can't deny either of them, nor say they are correct...

I don't believe you can prove that god does NOT exist right?

Also, you fail to grasp the concept of infinity. In fact, no one can understand infinity. It goes on forever. Infinity is just a label we've given it.

Also, on monkeys --> humans:

Evolution is about gaining something (like legs) not losing them (such as a tail)

Lastly, on your #2:

What are the odds of that happening? You have a better chance of being struck by lightning on a day of clear skies in a bed of daisies dancing with a chipmunk. No coincidnece at all.

Dev out.

I added a bit more to my last post...
Now for an answer to yours ;)

No, I can't prove god doesn't exist... Simply, I believe in things when I have proof. I currently do NOT believe in any of the 2 theories, but I'm inclined to the 2nd one BECAUSE it has more proof than the first one...

Also, evolution can be everything. From gaining to losing... I mean, if something is unneeded, why should it be kept? give space for something more.
Example: When homo sapiens (not sapiens sapiens) learned to cook meat, the jaws became much smaller, and left space for more brain, leading to homo sapiens sapiens.... Theoretically of course... Still has more proof (even gene-wise) than the god theory... Ask your local scientist for more examples :P

What are the odds of something higher than god have happened to CREATE god itself? And many things that happen in the world have much lower "odds" than happening than that...

And infinity, infinity is something that goes on forever... Imagine you were god, and have lived since forever (me, I'd be quite suicidal already, millions of years isn't light for anything, specially without company.. Unless god doesn't have feelings, wich I doubt) what would be the oldest memory you'd remember? hum..? You'd have to have an oldest memory? Then what would have happened before that memory? What "created" you?

[Devestator ©]

I added a bit more to my last post...
Now for an answer to yours ;)

No, I can't prove god doesn't exist... Simply, I believe in things when I have proof. I currently do NOT believe in any of the 2 theories, but I'm inclined to the 2nd one BECAUSE it has more proof than the first one...

Also, evolution can be everything. From gaining to losing... I mean, if something is unneeded, why should it be kept? give space for something more.
Example: When homo sapiens (not sapiens sapiens) learned to cook meat, the jaws became much smaller, and left space for more brain, leading to homo sapiens sapiens.... Theoretically of course... Still has more proof (even gene-wise) than the god theory... Ask your local scientist for more examples :P

What are the odds of something higher than god have happened to CREATE god itself? And many things that happen in the world have much lower "odds" than happening than that...

And infinity, infinity is something that goes on forever... Imagine you were god, and have lived since forever (me, I'd be quite suicidal already, millions of years isn't light for anything, specially without company.. Unless god doesn't have feelings, wich I doubt) what would be the oldest memory you'd remember? hum..? You'd have to have an oldest memory? Then what would have happened before that memory? What "created" you?

From Dictionary.com on faith:

2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.

Can you remember the day you were born?

I don't understand the "odds on god" section. can you clarify?

My local scientist is insane.

We learned a theory in Biology (Cant remember what its called) that stated a thing that is reduced in use reduses in size/disapears. This has been proven to be false.

[(UF)ChorionicIce]

You say you only believe in things which have enough proof. Like when all the top scientists thought the world was flat, and they thoguht they had evidence to prove it. Same when they all thought the atom was the smallest thing. Until they split it...

Science changes... beliefs changes... But God is constant, and never changes...

[ArtCrazy]

And god is also constant, he never gives any proof ;)

And about world being flat: A dogma protected by the church.
There was NO proof against it simply because it was considered treason to try to prove it. Actually, a greek (I think, or was it egyptian?) guy managed to prove that the world was round even before christ, but for some reason (probably because his ideas never were accepted by the rest due to what, RELIGION) the ideas were lost and were only found a few years ago... And yes, they were 100% valid. It was something about placing 2 poles in different parts of the world and watching the shadow at the same time of the day (local sun time). The difference of them was proof enough that the planet was round.

About the atom being the smallest thing, THERE NEVER WAS PROOF. there was proof atoms existed, but never was proof they couldn't be split, other than that they couldn't do it yet.

[Devestator ©]

Actually, the Greeks were the first with the concept of a flat earth I believe.

[CB]

All I can say is there are a lot of young agnostics, or atheist that will be praying to someone when there life is in danger or they get old and are about to die.

[(UF)ChorionicIce]

Art, i think your confusing God and religion...

We created religion.... God didnt, and God isnt religion either.
-Ice

[ArtCrazy]

^^^That I'm not sure, still, a greek or egypcian at more or less the same time was also the first to prove the earth was round, but for some reason it never was accepted... Still, all the documentation he wrote were found a few years ago and his theory was correct and his proof was valid, still, that was before Christianity protected the dogma, which resulted in everyone trying to prove the same being put in jail or simply killed "for treason to god".

[MonicaTTmed]

"If God is Love, then why does he threaten us? Why does he tell us that if we dont do what he says, then we are doomed for an eternity in hell. Why doesnt he just say that if we Worship him, then we go to heaven. But if we dont, nothing happens, we just die."

Its not that he sends us to hell. we chose to go to hell, and we wants to save us.

I g2g, Ill work on the other questions later.

Silly old me, must have missed the memo. Here I thought I was just using logic..
http://www.strongatheism.net/library/at ... existence/

[Devestator ©]

Oh... I almost forgot:

The Demand for a Sign

Mt 16:1 The Pharisees and Sadducees came to Jesus and tested him by asking him to show them a sign from heaven.
Mt 16:2 He replied,“When evening comes, you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red,’ 3 and in the morning, ‘Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times. 4 A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.” Jesus then left them and went away.

Last but not least:

^^^That I'm not sure, still, a greek or egypcian at more or less the same time was also the first to prove the earth was round, but for some reason it never was accepted... Still, all the documentation he wrote were found a few years ago and his theory was correct and his proof was valid, still, that was before Christianity protected the dogma, which resulted in everyone trying to prove the same being put in jail or simply killed "for treason to god".

I was saying the Greeks were the first with the concept that the earth was flat, not round.