What are your views on immigrants?

[Salmon Sam]

This is epic

[GRRReat]

Well I guess ya all aint dat smat becase non off yas get dah pont I's ben tireing ta mak.

Only one of you that made sense was 44.

I do make my apologies to LGM I do not know him and made a general statement form my own experiences. (about teachers) Very few of my teachers cared if I learned a thing and none of them did their real job. Which is to teach the students to learn! Give a man a fish he eats for a day, teach a man to fish he eats for a life time.

It just seems that nobody read or understood what I was getting at in the original post. It all went a rye.

MM proves my point in his posts. He used we and you. So I also think he is one of those illegals or one of the groups I am talking about. making this country weak and divided.

Why is every one coming to America?
Once here why are they not Americans, they are African American Ect. Ect.?
Why do some of lets say the Mexican Americans want to fly the Mexican flag over the American flag?
Why can't they keep their cultures and and still be Americans? They have that right here.
What does the United mean in The United States Of America?

The only point I was trying to make is we all need to stick together to be strong but all the different (minorities) (immigrants) are grouping together, trying to preserve their cultures. It is making this country divided and divided equals weak.

[GRRReat]

Why has no commented on the live data counter?
This is no excuse.
By the way, I have been up going on 44 hours as of now. For reasons I am not disclosing.
I posted the way I feel the only difference is I most likely would not have posted any thing at all under my norm.
I use this site for entertainment there are other sites for posts like this.

[LGM]

Apology accepted.

Only one of you that made sense was 44.

Is this what you're referring to as making sense? Methinks he's yanking your chain.

I hate 'em. They're too different. Especially the Canadians. And the colored ones, too.

Oi...

[Mighty Mouse]

Amazing. Original poster and jedi seems to be hung up on my use of pronouns. First off, I have been a naturalized citizen since junior high. So yes that would make me a legal immigrant. Second, my use of you vs we is intentional. OP posts a thread dividing the immigrants from those born here and I'm the one dividing and making the country weak? I'll assume either of 2 things of the Grr, whatever. One, you are ignorant. Or two, you like many of us troll these forums for entertainment value and feign stupidity.

Like I tell my white friends all the time, the day I walk into a bar in Texas or Georgia and not get stares back as if I'm from outer space is the day I lose my Korean American-ness. I do get tired of those ching-ching jokes btw. My eyes might be narrower than yours, but my hearing is as good if not better. Yet you say I should be American. But your treatment of me and my friends say you don't believe that. Think I'm making that up? Really?

I find America to be a blessed country whose citizens just do not realize the impact their naivete/ignorance have in the world, how many countries are affected by American policies. Yet to those Koreans, immigrants or otherwise who would say America is selfish, I point out the good that America has done. It and its citizens are just as imperfect as any other countries, but it has more resources to make it more dangerous/more beneficent.

Rail about immigrants, legal or otherwise. To me it is the same issue. The only thing separating the 2 is the path they chose to get here. One played by the rules, got here, and are working hard to make a living and to raise a family. But when they need such accommodations like bi-lingual documents, all hell breaks loose. They are not American enough any more. They apparently are ruining American culture. What is American culture other than amalgamation of multiple non-native cultures? The only thing different now is that the mix is different and minorities are beginning to increase in numbers while the majority, for one reason or another, have stagnated or losing numbers. Majority is afraid of losing their status and their advantages they have enjoyed for decades, if not centuries. So they resort to the argument they know they can always make against the immigrants. "They are ruining America by not learning our language and culture". Pathetic.

As for illegals, their experience is the same, except for the fact that they are here to make a living only but did not follow the rules. You say that they are a drain on the American economy. The American GDP as of 2008 stands around $14.3 trillion. How many illegals are you willing to concede? What's their drain on that level of economic activity? Personally, I do not feel that it is significant once you net their input and consumption.

[Ice mom KT]

An analysis of Census Bureau data shows that the nation's foreign-born or immigrant population (legal and illegal) reached a new record of more than 35 million in March of 2005. The data also indicate that the first half of this decade has been the highest five-year period of immigration in American history. This Backgrounder provides a detailed picture of both numbers and the socio-economic status of immigrants.

Among the report's findings:


The 35.2 million immigrants (legal and illegal) living in the country in March 2005 is the highest number ever recorded -- two and a half times the 13.5 million during the peak of the last great immigration wave in 1910.

Between January 2000 and March 2005, 7.9 million new immigrants (legal and illegal) settled in the country, making it the highest five-year period of immigration in American history.

Nearly half of post-2000 arrivals (3.7 million) are estimated to be illegal aliens.

Immigrants account for 12.1 percent of the total population, the highest percentage in eight decades. If current trends continue, within a decade it will surpass the high of 14.7 percent reached in 1910.

Of adult immigrants, 31 percent have not completed high school, three-and-a-half times the rate for natives. Since 1990, immigration has increased the number of such workers by 25 percent, while increasing the supply of all other workers by 6 percent.

Immigrants were once significantly more likely to have a college degree, but the new data show that natives are now as likely as immigrants to have a bachelor's or graduate degree.

The proportion of immigrant-headed households using at least one major welfare program is 29 percent, compared to 18 percent for native households.

The poverty rate for immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under 18) is 18.4 percent, 57 percent higher than the 11.7 percent for natives and their children. Immigrants and their minor children account for almost one in four persons living in poverty.

One-third of immigrants lack health insurance -- two-and-one‑half times the rate for natives. Immigrants and their U.S.‑born children account for almost three-fourths (nine million) of the increase in the uninsured population since 1989.

The low educational attainment of many immigrants and resulting low wages are the primary reasons so many live in poverty, use welfare programs, or lack health insurance, not their legal status or an unwillingness to work.

A central question for immigration policy is: Should we allow in so many people with little education, which increases job competition for the poorest American workers and the size of the population needing government assistance?

Immigrants make significant economic progress the longer they live in the United States, but even immigrants who have lived in the United States for 14 or 15 years still have dramatically higher rates of poverty, lack of health insurance, and welfare use than natives.

States with the largest increase in immigrants are California, Texas Georgia, New Jersey, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Washington, Virginia, Arizona, Tennessee, Minnesota, Nevada, New Mexico, South Carolina, and Mississippi.

Immigration accounts for virtually all of the national increase in public school enrollment over the last two decades. In 2005, there were 10.3 million school‑age children from immigrant families in the United States.

Immigrants and natives exhibit remarkably similar rates of entrepreneurship, with 13 percent of natives and 11 percent of immigrants self‑employed.

Recent immigration has had no significant impact on the nation's age structure. Without the 7.9 million post-2000 immigrants, the average age in America would be virtually unchanged at 36 years.


Today, Americans face an unprecedented illegal immigration crisis facilitated by multi-billion dollar drug and human importing cartels as well as corporations which are inducing the invasion by aiding and abetting illegal aliens and using their influence on the Executive Branch and elections to paralyze existing immigration laws supported by over 80% of the American citizenry.

These events are not random and chaotic. Massive illegal immigration is the result of non-enforcement and under-enforcement of our existing immigration laws.

Supporters of illegal aliens love to claim that our immigration system is broken. The system is not broken. Elite financial and political business interests who could care less about the death and devastation they are causing Americans have sabotaged the system. Their profits continue to rise as they send the rest of America spiraling downward on a path to anarchy and Third World quality-of-life conditions.

By using their influence to suspend our existing laws, these globalist special interests have deprived all Americans of political representation as well as their votes, their voice, and a functioning Republic for which our flag stands.

[PGG]

^ Ten bucks says you wouldn't pass the immigration test.

[Ice mom KT]

^Thats bull. Our system is so broken that any old slob can get into the United States. They come into our citys and lower the standards of life and dont adapt to the way we live in the United States. We have to learn their languages in school but they have yet to learn english! In California where I live the population is of immigrants is more than the population of natives! I the American have become the minority.

[44]

Very few of my teachers cared if I learned a thing and none of them did their real job.

Perhaps they sensed the futility?

[SquidRing]

By the way. That email is a hoax. Kevin Rudd did not make those statements.
Nor do the comments in it reflect the common sentiments of Australian people.

Regards from Australia.