How it all ends

[Scyth]

Good point, but if we send $$$ aid it goes like this:

poor people in rich countries pay for rich people in poor countries. Either we support organisations like medair, and who knows what (I know more belgian organisaitons like Artsen Zonder Grenzen (Doc's Without Boundaries).. Or if we send aid packed as $$$ we get nowhere, we really need to go to the place and distribute all to the people ourselves.

Don't get me wrong, I m with you on that, but I ALSO want Global Warming dealt with. Or we don't need to work hard so our children can have a good life.

[PGG]

Ok KKB, say you are right. Don't worry, it's just a natural cycle in the earth. It's all good! It will actually end better for the earth, cause either way, EVERYTHING IS GOING TO MELT! If it IS a natural cycle, then we are screwed even more, cause that means we can't do squat about it. Same outcome, different reason.

The earth is warming up. We have a pretty good idea why, but nobody seems to be listening to anything.

[deano]

their teaching kids in school that we are coming out of a mini ice age and its a warming period..

[MusickTMG]

their teaching kids in school that we are coming out of a mini ice age and its a warming period..

What school is that?

My school is saying that we have a problem

[Dazzle]

Like to 9 out of 10 questions in this world in the end it all boils down to money.

Is global warming (or whatever name the establishments want to call it) happening, maybe. Are we the cause of it, I dont think so. Are we contributing to it very possibly. But remember the earth is a living thing and over the millions of years of its existence it has been hot and cold on and off for an eternity, its a cycle and maybe just maybe the most obvious answer is that the earth is just going through one of these cycles like it will do again and again until it dies. In the meantime the establishments of this world pressure tell us to do this and that to reduce emissions, reduce carbon etc etc. If we dont do it voluntarily they will enforce us to do it and without a doubt this is happening already with extra costs and charges on things like air travel, cars, etc etc all in the name of emission reduction. Cars, heavy plant, planes etc are marketed on the fact that they are low carbon, hell in the UK the power companies are selling us their greenest energy ever and guess what you have to pay for that as well - is it really green, how many new 'green' power stations have you near you? and how can they justify charging additional money for something 'they say is green' - who is checking. If you are environmentally conscious and spend you hard earned money on products and services that are so called green how can you be sure? how can you be assured thats its not all just a whole load of marketing by companies cashing in on the fact that the establishments are saying that global warming is our fault and we have to reduce carbon emissions.

Yes I believe that money is a massive part of global warming, if its not then why can companies and governments trade carbon credits to each other in the same way as if they were buying stocks and shares? There are a lot of people making obscene amounts of money off the back of two words - Global warming, no wonder that its so in our face, no wonder that there is so much confusion over what is happening and what is the right thing to do, no wonder its a global consideration, the reason why is thats its a global market, a global opportunity to make money.

I am not saying that there does not seem to be a problem, but I do believe its an earth cycle and we are just not helping matters, and yes we do need to cut emissions and bring countries that are not as environmentally conscious as others up to certain emission standards - but if its a cycle we cant stop it and we will all have to deal with what the earth decides.

Yes I maybe cynical and this post may offer a different view from others but think about it - money money money thats what makes the world go round - not a 100% cut in emissions. If global warming was proved to not exist where wopuld that leave all the so called brilliant minds and the perfect marketing campaigns? it wont leave them anywhere because we are so far down the line global warming has to exist for their sake in whatever form, and as such they will make it exist if they have to.

For those of you who dont know I am in the environmental industry so I really do care about the environment and the road ahead - but lets face facts until someone comes up with a definitive answer about whether the global warming is real or not the money makers will keep using it as a marketing tool for their products, the carbon exchanges will grow and once the money rolls and rolls there will be no going back.

Phew
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[Meat Puppet]

The earth is warming up. We have a pretty good idea why, but nobody seems to be listening to anything.

I honestly haven't heard much worth listening to. I think that you have everyones attention. What is it that you want to DO? We can all run around like chicken little or you can take positive action. I personally have invested hard earned cash into a company that produces synthetic oil and fuel from coal. We have alot of coal. The prosess has been around a long time.[url]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer-Tropsch_synthesis

The objections in the past have been economical and enviromental, the process does not produce cheap fuel and releases CO2. With crude oil prices up and the fact that this company sells it's CO2 to oil well operators to pump into wells to help remove crude oil this begins to make economic sense. I feel that I am embracing new/old technology to provide some answers to our problems, instead of running around yelling "the sky is falling". Like some presidential canidates trying to divert attention from the fact that they have no new ideas.[/quote]

[Meat Puppet]

Well said Dazzle!!

[KKB]

We all know the temperature of the earth is up 1-2 degrees over the last how many years.

Guess what? So are ALL the other planets in the solar system. I guess we better tell the Martians to sell their SUV's!


Peeps, weather is cyclical. Climate is called climate because it changes. It wouldn't be a climate if we could predict everything.

Someone mentioned that they were taught in school that we are in a mini-ice-age. Well kinda. We are still coming out of one! The history of the earth tells us that it is normally a lot hotter than it is right now. I don't think our grandchildrens grandchildren have a thing to worry about.

[Warfare]

Question:

How long would it take for a nuclear winter to take hold? Some doom sayer give me a number, maybe 3 years? Less?
The temperature of earth would decline, getting colder and colder, away from the evil and republican-induced apocalypse which is commonly known today as 'Global Warming'.

The problem we would have then is the earth would suddenly slip into the dreaded 'Global Cooling' and send us all on another environmental tail spin. But, lucky for us, the climate is in no possible way affected by some sort of imaginary cycle, so we can all pat ourselves on the back as we drill for oil, drive our SUVs, and use lots and lots of plastic, effectively balancing the Earth's temperature once again saving everything under the sun from it's eventual demise. Then we can happily give humanity 100% of the credit for the climate change.

Looking into the past and learning from it, we can find out how the earth heated up time and time again after each ice age (not cyclical) and apply it to the nuclear winter scenario.
Since cavemen get so worked up about car insurance, I'm betting it was their darned SUVs, or perhaps their smallish motor cycles...

[NUTS!]

Very nice video, very logical.

You know people even if you do not believe in the whole global warming thing why not do what rights for the earth. For your own country. If you think about it the biggest contributer to global warming is probably cars. By buying a fuel efficient car your not only helping the environment but also not supplying people who to kill you with money. Sorta a win win there. Additionally, why not add solar power to your house? Yes, its expensive but it does pay itself off within a few years. By doing so your not only help the environment but also our power grids. Heck, you can even make money in the long run with it, check it out. I have, sadly though you really have to jump through some hoops. Not only with the gas/electric company but also with city ordinances. If everyone did those things, not only would the environment be better off so would our country.

Irregardless of climate weather changes, misinformation, yada yada...Helping the environment can also help you. Its all in perspective.

Heck the world is changing, take a look around. To me the biggest farce I see is the person with the American flag/We will not forget/Made in America type stickers on there big American made SUV. So not only is the car there driving price being propped up by tariffs (so we all have to pay more for a car). That was put together with the vast majority of the parts coming from overseas. Which are cheaper because they can make them cheaper because there not held to our labor or environmental laws(I am referring to China). Then the SUV they drive is gas guzzler. So more money flows to the middle east, great. Not to mention the higher emissions, even better. Yet that donkey feels smug because they bought "American". To me the real patriots are the people with the fuel efficient cars and are trying to save energy, help the environment. The world economy/environment is changing. Move or be left behind.