Our president, not many threads about him.

[Mighty Mouse]

^ Whatever floats your boat. Then I wonder why you bother reading in the first place. Oh that's right, I at least try to provide support for my generalizations and opinions, instead of spouting in-step misdirections from liberal trash you read and watch, with the only defense being a personal attack or the tired old leftist rhetoric you package into supposed "step into a new world". Your views on me and Bush are well-documented, but your defense of Obama is piddling at best, pathetic even.

I chose to respond to Smacky's post's inclusion of quotes from your post to provide my views on his personal experience/insight, notice I did not respond to the entirety of your post, not because I miss your filth, but I think he has valid points. But again, you only see out of one eye.

[Cloud]

Besides, 80% of the cars purchased under cash for clunkers were of foreign make.

Where is this stat said?

Overall, General Motors, Ford and Chrysler have accounted for about 47% of the 157,000 new vehicles sold under the clunkers program as of this morning.

LA TIMES- AUG 4 09

Detroit's Big Three represent about 47 percent of U.S. car sales and only sold an estimated 42 percent under the program.

Fox NEWS- AUG 22 09

59 percent of vehicles bought with Clunkers cash were foreign.

NPR- AUG 25 09

program ended on August 24, as the appropriated resources were exhausted.
US$3 billion U.S. federal scrappage program intended to provide economic incentives to U.S. residents to purchase a new, more fuel efficient vehicle when trading in a less fuel efficient vehicle. The program was promoted as providing stimulus to the economy by boosting auto sales, while putting safer, cleaner and more fuel-efficient vehicles on the roadways.

WIKIPEDIA

The program did what it was out to do. It reduced green house gases (well done obama) , while stimulating the economy.

Smacky what you said, "They earned that because they started listening to the consumer. A lesson that Chrysler and GM still haven't learned. I doubt Chrysler will make it. Ford didn't take a dime of government money." is so true. Ford will make it. Good thing. I'd hate to see the company who out produced Fascist Italy during ww2, in tanks/ armored cars not make it!

[dad]

^Well done Obama?

From Edmunds.com

"The average rebate was $4,000. But the overwhelming majority of sales would have taken place anyway at some time in the last half of 2009, according to Edmunds.com. That means the government ended up spending about $24,000 each for those 125,000 additional vehicle sales.

Ford was one of the biggest proponents of the Cash for Clunkers program and several Ford models were among the top sellers under the program."

Also, I thought that I had read the majority of ford vehicles sold were F-150 trucks. People traded in trucks getting 14-15 mpg for trucks getting 17-18 mpg.

Hmmm...the autoworkers I know are not working more, in fact they've explained to me that they are being asked to make additional concessions above and beyond what they've already given up.

[Blind Cide]

There are plenty of cars made by the big 3 that are assembled in foreign countries (Mexico and Canada) with foreign made parts. I think that counts as a foreign car.

The clunker program was an "efficient" way to infuse cash to the auto industry. It has its drawbacks too, though. What about all those guys who fix clunkers and sell them to guys like me who never drive them? We got screwed. My clunker sits in my driveway as instantaneous insurance against getting to work late if my primary car doesn't start. I got double screwed because the classic car lobby excluded my 1978 Buick from the program, just in case its a classic. It ain't and it ain't gonna be for a few decades if even then.

They took perfectly useful machinery out of the productive loop on the assumption that its main value was as daily drivers. I say the program was a wash at best and was probably more another example of political favoritism.

[GRRReat]

@Rogue

I'm often annoyed when a discussion about a service man or woman getting aced in combat ends with, "...well that's the price we pay for freedom, when contrarily if this freedom hits you in the wallet we say, "eff that."

True That.

[Mighty Mouse]

If I remember correctly, wasn't Thomas Jefferson the owner of these quotes?

"I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale."

"The appointment of a woman to office is an innovation for which the public is not prepared, nor am I."

[GRRReat]

^^^And the point being.
I do agree with them also.

[stinkfingers]

it's all bulls---t.

but hey, what are desperate bas.tards to do? suddenly we all woke up and found out that an economy we might have described as "thriving" 3 years, 7 years, 15 years ago -- based on guady numbers coming out of wallstreet -- was just a smoke and mirrors casino scheme. and that we have nothing but a casino economy. not one that people from all walks of life can participate in a meaningful, life -- or lifestyle? -- preserving way.

now we got squat. because in the name of maximizing profits, gussied up in the lie of staying competitive in a "global age," we allowed american corporations to disassemble all of their factories and ship them overseas. and then we told a lie to ourselves, making a virtue out of our loss: that we were free from servitude, and that the information age would make everyone fat and happy.

an obvious crock of sh_t ponzi scheme at the time....and it would have been more apparent earlier if our economy was allowed to follow its logical course, but the federal reserve decided to give money away for cheap, assuring us that we'd all amassed huge personal fortunes just by owning a home. and more: that damn thing was an ATM to borrow against. so folks felt all optimistic about their new found wealth...and the clever bas.tards on Wallstreet saw another creative way to rake in billions more: they found away to make ridiculous amounts of money speculating on our....debt. until it all collapsed, and we landed in this pit. i get the feeling that this pit has a shallow floor, and that right bellow it is another. i'm not betting against that pit having a shallow floor either...

we haven't had a real economy in this country for decades...though people still don't get it. because they don't get it they don't demonstrate the requisite concern...they think that with a little tinkering, we can get a little more of the good stuff out of this carcass of an economy....and so we have the frenetic, retarded spasms of action that we see this current administration engaging in, desperately trying to milk this damn pig. cash for clunkers! a success! good grief. we have no economic base...and the only thing we seem to generate in this country anymore is debt...which, by the way is still being packaged and traded on the stock market. what happened to our great, diversified economic sector? you know: the one that built the middle class...the one that honored work with job security and opportunity for growth?

we've had 30 years of the wrong messages, leading us down the wrong paths. and i don't think we can recover. you dudes do the math...who got the fattest off of this great american sellout? because how we got here wasn't an accident.

[GRRReat]

^^Finally the man with sense chimes in.
Only disagreement is I do think we will recover eventually.

and i don't think we can recover

[fishtank]

the man with sense

*scents