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[Sersh]

And, chances are you felt pretty angry about what I said about Wales.

That's because you darn well love your country. And THAT is patriotism. Argue with me if you like. But you can't deny that you love your country.

( Honestly, I'd rather not argue about this anymore though. BUT, I will always know that you love your country, because damnit I think everyone loves the country the were born in, in some shape or form. )

[Cloud]

This is where I call you stupid and tell you that you're in the wrong thread. Don't worry though, I don't think you're an ignorant hypocrite.

A very pointless observation.

Sersh, have you ever been outside of the United States? Have you ever been to Wales? The UK?

But not you Jay. Because you have no idea what I'm talking about because you as a child weren't taught by your parents anything involving your forefathers

Big assumptions. Perhaps you should learn a little about the UK, Wales, or the rest of the world in general.

Sersh wait till you get out of High school and hopefully into college or a university where you learn and expand your horizons before you really take a stance on this Great Country of ours. Is this you speaking? or your parents speaking, putting words into your mouth. If you lived in a larger city with much more culture, you may have different viewpoints.

The only sentence in that whole mess you posted that makes sense is "Apart from U.S. History that you take your Junior year, you don't learn much at all about America anyway. " American students do not learn enough about their government, their history. Most of it is fake history form the view point of American's who are in denial of what their history is really about. When did you learn that the indians and the americans didnt all have a huge thanksgiving and get along? Did you learn about the rapes, the murders, the hatred, the war? What really happened WW2? Did America come in and save the day?

[Dark Angel (SA)]

Sersh,
by your definition patriotism has to do with immense love and pride in one's COUNTRY and yet by your quote you believe your state to be the best in America.

Texas is the greatest state in America.

If you're following your definition of patriotism you shouldn't be viewing your one state as being the best, but the country itself as a whole.

Now, I'm not going to call you ignorant, this time. But, I honestly don't have a problem with liberals at a personal level. I do, however, have a problem when someone tells me my birthplace 'aint the best around.

I had the balls to argue that my state is the best. Let's here your story pal.

Oh that's right.

You aren't patriotic in the least about where you grew up, because where you grew up doesn't mean as much as it does to me, because I'm from Texas. And I'll argue that until the day that I croak.

I'd have to argue about arguing how your state is the best. In my opinion, key word being opinion, knowing the history of your state (by your definition of your immense patriotism that you have not just for your country, but for your STATE that) is very important. Whether or not you know where George W. Bush was born (due to different person's views on it as stated earlier in this thread) you'd also have to observe that this country is fairly new. Look at the fact that prior to Texas being as State it was province owned by Mexico along with Arizona, New Mexico, and California. Some Texans I know are upset by Hispanic or latinos person living in those areas and influencing the culture there, when the reality is that those lands belonged to Mexico prior to the United States taking it in the Mexican-American War of 1846-48. Where the US basically bulled Mexico into a war with fighting over territory boundaries due to American's expanding to the West. Then having Mexico sell those lands very cheaply after that war as a settlement of losing. What a wonderful thing to have such pride and love for...
It is one thing to be prideful and patriotic of your country and state, but it is another to be arrogant and think that you are better than everyone else because of where you come from. That in and of itself creates issues and can cause others to view you as being narrow minded and ignorant.

[Sersh]

Do me a favor. Please, PLEASE read the whole thing before you decide to quote me on this comment.

Texas being a new state has nothing to do with one's ability to be patriotic.

It was a mistake to argue with anyone about patriotism, because its obvious that it doesn't exist and no one on earth feels it. No one loves their country and no one deserves to.

That's right, you caught me. I hate my country and the state that I live in, because the men who lived who before me were lying, cheating ba.stards, and they shouldn't be remembered.

@ Cloud.

Yes, I have been out of the U.S., but not the UK. (Unfortunately) I have, however, visited Europe. My brother was adopted from Romania, and my family met his birth-mother.

They're crazy there though. Even though their country has a pretty bad history, they still seem to have some kind of pride (Why?) toward where they come from. It's crazy, I know. I don't understand why anyone could love their own country.

Europe is not the only place I've been outside of the United States.

You're definitely right though. The United States is a wretched, horrible place to live. Our forefathers were absolutely wicked people and the way we stole this country from what we call "indians." was a horrible thing to do.

Patriotism is a complete fabrication of the mind, just like love. It isn't physically real. And anyone who feels it deserves to die, if you ask me.

I'm actually from the UK, you see, where loving your country can get you thrown in jail. Wait? I'm, not completely making that up am I? No, that's right, I'm from stupid Texas.

The ignorant Americans can't remember that they stole their own country from other people, and therefore should not be able to feel any kind of patriotism.

The Pledge of Allegiance is stupid and I hate it. I'm cool, and would rather sit down in class then to recite that I'll forever love this country. I want to be like the other kids who are out of school, because they understand why you should hate your country. And me being in school hinders me from knowing anything about the world.


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Do you realize how many people right now that lived before you would literally spit in your face for saying anything like this? Do you realize that hundreds of thousands of people died so that you could sit on your chair and argue with stupid Texans about patriotism? (Oh that's right, none of those men actually died. Because teachers lie to their students, and everyone knows none of that happened.)

I want you to stop what you're doing right now, and think to yourself how blessed you really are. Honestly. Stop what you're doing.

[Sersh]

I know I'm going to hell for saying this, but excuse me for having an ounce (maybe a pound, or .45359 kg) of pride about my state and country. You'd better believe that I'm patriotic about my own state, because I think just as much of it as I do my own country.

Honestly, I think I'm the only one in this thread who loves their own State that they live in. Correct me if I'm wrong, (Please) it's just that you all seem to hate where you live.

I can understand why you wouldn't like to live in California, or Florida. But Texas? Nah. I'll stay here, and you can move to the UK.


I'm aware that pretty soon you're going to comment on what I said, and attempt to, and probably in you own mind disprove it in some way. And that is why I'm going to say this. If you think I'm wrong, that's great. I think you're wrong, honestly; and I hope that what I've said today really makes you think about how you're able to drive that nice car to your community college that your State pays for. It honestly makes me sick that you don't realize any of that.

On that note, I'm running away from this thread, as I've spent 2 or so hours arguing about something that isn't going to get me anywhere. Or you, for that matter.

[Cloud]

Texas is the greatest state in America. So help me God, I'm damn proud to have been born and raised in Texas. That's right, I'm proud to be a gun-toting, animal-hunting, trash-burning, NASCAR watching psycho. You'd better believe that I have every film ever created that stars John Wayne.

That's because you darn well love your country. And THAT is patriotism. Argue with me if you like. But you can't deny that you love your country.

They're crazy there though. Even though their country has a pretty bad history, they still seem to have some kind of pride (Why?) toward where they come from. It's crazy, I know. I don't understand why anyone could love their own country.

You're definitely right though. The United States is a wretched, horrible place to live.

I said nothing of this sort. I am content with living in the USA. I kind of like it here....

I know I'm going to hell for saying this, but excuse me for having an ounce (maybe a pound, or .45359 kg) of pride about my state and country. You'd better believe that I'm patriotic about my own state, because I think just as much of it as I do my own country.

Hell? Thats a very delusional statement. You are not going to hell for that. So am I talking to a evangelical right winged christian or what?

Your posts make very little sense. You are contradicting yourself quite often but from what you have posted, I gather that you love this country of ours despite the history. I wonder if you are well educated in US history. Sense you have such strong opinions please please please go to a university or college when you get out of HS. Learn more, expand your knowledge, so you can enhance your opinions. You are 16 now, but tell me if you will have the same opinions of Texas once you get out of college. Tell me why you love Texas? What makes it different than the rest of the states? Please come up with something better than "Willy Nelson, Buddy Holly and George W. Bush."

I can understand why you wouldn't like to live in California, or Florida. But Texas? Nah. I'll stay here, and you can move to the UK.

Actually on the contrary, California is one of the few places I would love to live. Aside form the enormous debt, and horrible government, California is a country in its own. The San Francisco bay area, where I grew up, is one of the most diverse places on Earth and I love it. California is also very beautiful and one of the largest economy's in the world. I also would live in Germany again. I spent most of this year in Germany, learned the language, and fell in love with the scenery, the way of life, and the people. Texas on the other hand, I try to avoid well accept Houston because of family. Houston is one of the few places I like in Texas, well somewhat.

You just keep adding more huh?

I hope that what I've said today really makes you think about how you're able to drive that nice car to your community college that your State pays for. It honestly makes me sick that you don't realize any of that.

Again, huge assumptions. I am a working American who is at University of Oregon, which is a public school. Out of state tuition is 25 grand a year. Pretty absurd if you ask me. State paying for it? Yeah....

[Jay]

Wow sersh, I really am dumbfounded by how delusional and ignorant you are. I understand you are just a child, so I will try and make this easy for you to understand.

I'm just going to be thorough, and show you where you went wrong.

This is where I call you stupid and tell you that you're in the wrong thread

Opinionated and irrelevant, besides I was quoting sentences made in this thread.

American children aren't forced in any way to recite the pledge in school

Not true, many schools do, irrelevant if yours didn't. If the children in those schools don't have the choice to sit out while the rest of them recite the pledge, then it's forced upon them.

I hope to God you don't assume that Patriotism is taught in our schools, because it sure as hell isn't.

I never said 'Patriotism' is taught anyway. I was talking about the feeling for an inaniamte object "Your flag", and how children are forced to recite the pledge.

Dictionary.com
devoted love, support, and defense of one's country; national loyalty.

Wait, wait, wait. So love can be taught or it can't? Love is by nature or it isn't? How can you be taught to love one's country if love cannot be taught to love in the first place? ( At least that's what you just said )

The dictionary has many different definitions of 'love', because the term 'love' is so widely used to describe many different thoughts and feelings. The dictionary is also flawed in it's description as you quoted it. 'Devoted love of one's country'. Let's look at that shall we? A country. What is it? Well it's a piece of land that has been colonised with it's own rules, regulations, and race. You are not automatically born with the feeling of affection towards your country. You learn to 'love' it, and I use the word 'love' in it's context of 'admiration'. You cannot be taught to feel love, but you can be taught to depend on something, and through that dependance you can feel a form of love. So it's really 'Admiration' and 'Dependence', along with a few other defining words.

I mean come on, you're from Wales. Or is it Whales? Meh. Doesn't make a difference. All the people there are 600 pound, yellow teethed bas.tards. I mean how can it be possible for anyone there to feel in the least patriotic about the people who lived there before them

Petty insults which are completely irrelevant. This concludes to me you are irrational, and being irrational means this discussion is pointless.

Because you have no idea what I'm talking about because you as a child weren't taught by your parents anything involving your forefathers. Because they didn't care either. (Honestly, don't blame them Jay. I wouldn't want to know anything about Whales anyway.)

That's a HUGE assumption, and just shows me even more how irrational and delusional you are.

And, chances are you felt pretty angry about what I said about Wales.
That's because you darn well love your country. And THAT is patriotism. Argue with me if you like. But you can't deny that you love your country.
I will always know that you love your country, because damnit I think everyone loves the country the were born in, in some shape or form. )

Another HUGE assumption, but you'd be completely wrong. I honestly couldn't give a toss about Wales. Everyone who knows me, knows that I've always hated Wales, and consider myself English, being brought up in an English family. I don't believe a country should take importance over every other country/race just because they were born there.


You really need to take a step back, and stop trying to sound intelligent. You seem to be failing badly.

[Stayzuh]

ok

sersh

here's what i have to say

you think you know everything and you don't
you are only in high school and know nothing
you are quite contradictory of yourself
Also don't you DARE say lies or be smart ass about the men and women who are involved in war
my father is proud veteran and I am very proud of him as well as all other men and women in the service
and let me just say my father watched people get their heads blown off; and a plane he should have been on crashed into a mountian.
SO DON'T YOU DARE!
I DO in fact love where I come from
you're not the only one so SHUT UP!

so yeah thats what i have to say....for now anyway.....

I am a proud Ohioan and a proud American and I always will be

[GRRReat]

Sersh
You will never win on this board.
We know you love your state and country.
America is no different then any other civilization. People have been killing for land and power since the caveman.
I went through this before. You have your beliefs and they have theirs. No changing their minds.
The more you say the more trouble you get into. Don't fall for their trap and stoop to their level.
They will insult you and what you say. Then when you do it back it's your fault you started it and are (crazy).

I am also a gun toting,racist,country loving ignorant redneck that knows nothing.
That can't figure out why so many people want to come to and stay in this awful country.

I would comment on some of the comments but there is no sense in it anyway.

[Mighty Mouse]

@Jay. . .If the feelings we learn by being forced to recite the pledge to an inanimate object is "admiration" and "dependence", then it would seem strange that thousands are willing to spill their own blood to preserve what it stands for. It seems a bit much for admiration and dependence to evoke such reactions.

Yes there are many facets of love that cannot be properly expressed by a single word, but love is love. I am willing to die for my family if need be just as much as I am willing to die for my country if need be. Doesn't that in broad outline define love? Why is one a result of an emotion and the other result of a taught reaction?

@Sersh . . . There is nothing wrong with your feelings. I think the problem is that you are having difficulties properly expressing yourself because you are young. Don't worry, you'll get better.